I wish my screen reader would play nice with the archives.  But I appreciate folks on the list that have done searches for me.

If AI can sort out Vanagon tech info I will be very happy and use it.  But, I think accuracy is a long way off! 

Still I’m already using it for some vanagon related assistence. 

If it combines info from our archives, the samba, and written books, we might get a useful tool.

Eric Caron 

> On Feb 4, 2025, at 12:28 PM, Mark McCulley <mark@MARKMCCULLEY.COM> wrote:
> 
> Yes they are, located here: http://gerry.vanagon.com/archives/
> 
> -Mark
> 
>> On Feb 4, 2025, at 7:44 AM, Al Carey <careyald@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>> 
>> Are the archives of this list available to the public? Sounds like a great resource for a Vanagon newbie such as myself.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Al 
>> 
>>> On Feb 4, 2025, at 10:27 AM, Mark McCulley <mark@markmcculley.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the suggestions Derek. I've dabbled with AI, mostly ChatGPT and Gemini. I was underwhelmed with the information I got from Gemini, it would give me answers that I knew to be incorrect and then when I corrected it, it said something to the effect, "sorry, you are correct..." After a few instances of this I lost trust and quit using Gemini. That was about a year or so ago though and I suspect things have improved since then.
>>> 
>>> -Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 3, 2025, at 6:35 PM, Derek Drew <derekdrew@DEREKMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The potential of AI is determined by your imagination. If you have no
>>>> imagination and are not curious, you won't use it.
>>>> 
>>>> If I were tuning an AI engine someday, I would tell it to pay special
>>>> attention to everything Dennis Haynes says and some other people. Or, if
>>>> you have access to the archives of this list, you can actually read
>>>> everything he ever wrote. I have every email on this list from 1994 and
>>>> will feed it to AI one of these days somehow.
>>>> 
>>>> Make sure all of the following are quick links in your browser bookmarks
>>>> bar. And yes, you need them all because often, only one or two of them will
>>>> be best at what you want them to do. If you only use one, you will
>>>> constantly be crashing your car into a tree.
>>>> 
>>>> A+ https://www.perplexity.ai* Real Time Search plus AI*
>>>> A https://claude.ai Anthropic backed by Google and Amazon
>>>> A https://chatgpt.com OpenAI
>>>> A- https://gemini.google.com Google, a little behind
>>>> B+ https://copilot.microsoft.com Microsoft, a little behind
>>>> B https://grok.com Elon Musk
>>>> B- https://www.meta.ai Zuckerberg
>>>> B - https://chat.mistral.ai French Dudes
>>>> C+ https://chat.deepseek.com** China came from behind
>>>> *Consider the paid version of Perplexity and consider attaching
>>>> OpenAI/ChatGPT to this as I do to get the A+
>>>> **It may be some days until Deepseek is available again. ACTUALLY, the best
>>>> way to use Deepseek is to use it via Perplexity because then your queries
>>>> don't go through China and get recorded by China. With that concern erased,
>>>> (Deepseek + Perplexity COMBO) might be in the very top tier of these links.
>>>> 
>>>> There is also a Vanagon focused AI but I have not tested it yet, here:
>>>> https://chatgpt.com/g/g-NL7QcdICZ-vanagon-maintenance-guide
>>>> 
>>>> Forward this list to whoever you think.
>>>> 
>>>> Over time, you should be paying for some of these and some of them you can
>>>> keep using as the free versions.
>>>> 
>>>> Don't want to pay?????
>>>> 
>>>> There was a time when you did not want to pay to have a cell phone. But
>>>> none of us would turn our cell phones in these days in order to save the
>>>> fee.
>>>> 
>>>> Think about it.