

| Subject: | RE: Freon Conversions / Substitutes |
| From: | Tom Brunson |
| Date: | Thu, 3 Jul 97 19:03:33 UT |
Thanks for the input - you are right that all the blends do have different fittings and must be kept separate when recovering - so shops won't want to use several. My shop was looking for a different one to try, and since I'd cover their cost for initial tryout (which didn't need the recovery gear) - this was a good chance for them to check out FR12. The blends are all filled by liquid weight - the included spec sheets say to use 90% of R12 weight for FR12. Although the frigc web site doesn't mention it, FR12 is now available in 12 oz cans - so it is possible to install with the low-cost piercing rig instead of setting up for the 30lb cylinders and scales - that's what this shop did for a first try. The instructions also tell how to use temp & pressure gauges to "top up" a system when you can't completely discharge and fill fresh by weight. Among other national chains many Jiffy Lube shops are starting to use FR12 - so service while travelling should be possible. I suspect many of their problems after converting cars to R134a were marginal components which might have failed soon anyway - just the added stress of the higher discharge made them fail faster. So if your system is in good shape R134a can be a good decision - it is the most available when you need service. I was most concerned about my '87 camper - as it's A/C is most marginal in trying to get cool air to the front. The non-campers distribute the cool air much better and "top" efficiency isn't as critical. Tom Brunson '87 Westy 160K '91 Carat 103K etc >As a fellow Hot Country Texan, I had to chime in on this one. My auto >A/C man is a personal friend of 25 years, not a German shop. In my quest >for R-12 replacement he showed me the list of all substitutes including >FR-12 and he told me all apparently work well. But the downside is that >nearly all of them require guages or special equipment that the standard >auto A/C shop will not have. jThis would mainly be the recovery >equipment they have. In the servicing of your unit, with thier recovery >unit they are not allowed by law to co-mingle any of the diff >substitutes in their recovery equpipment. >All refrigerants -must- be recovered if a system is being worked on. And >theoretically (legally) they must have a separate recovery unit for each >refrigerant they service. Secondarily, they all wiegh in at different >wieghts, and the shop must have a different unit for wieghing the >refrigerant when they put it back in (in case the system is low and they >have to add some.) >My friends shop has settled on only converting to RF-134a and are >apparently having very good success. This forced them to only purchase >one additional set of "tools" to maintain these systems. What they have >learned (not sure where) is that the RF-134a does indeed run at a higher >pressure that R-12 and they were instructed to fill the system w/20% >less (by volume or wieght: I'm not sure which) and that this releives >the pressure on the system (compressor) and cools almost exactly as well >as R-12. >There's what I've heard. My system is still R-12 until I need a bunch, >then I will go RF-134a for the above detailed reasons. >My nickels worth. >Mark B. Magee >87GL 83K >Kemah TX USA
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