

| Subject: | Re: Subaru notes, #3 |
| From: | Linda Bartnik |
| Date: | Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:24:19 -0400 |
Regarding the Subaru engines, I've been impressed with what I've seen here at work. I work at Penske Auto Center, doing oil changes/tires and such. Every once in a while I'll get a Subaru to work on. From what I've seen of the Legacy and more recently the Impreza Outback and Legacy Outback, 1) These are very nice cars, this is what I would have if I didn't have a Volkswagen, a cool old Subaru and 2) The engines are very nice, run like clocks. Even had a mid-'80s high-mile Subaru hatchback in for a water pump, after the job was done the tech fired it up, ran as smooth and quiet as any car I've ever seen. Much more so than a Vanagon engine. Just ticking right along. Of course, with the Subaru you lose the rear license plate oil fill/check station as the Subaru oil fill and dipstick are toward the middle of the engine, near the intake runners. And Tim mentions below a very important issue, the oil pan. Whereas the Vanagon has a nice flat bottom engine case, oil sump level with bottom of cylinders, the Subaru has a real oil pan that hangs quite low, with the vulnerable oil filter hanging down right next to it just as low. That would be a real issue for the off roaders, especially. As far as the engines themselves, they seem to be well-built and reliable. The ones I've dealt with have just needed oil changes, and I haven't seen any come in for major repairs, except for the one that needed a water pump. I like working on the Subaru as the oil drain plug and filter are very easy to get to -- that makes or breaks a car in my mind, working as a lube tech :-) Sean > > And on it goes..... > > forgot to mention a detail from KEP folks re their autobox Subaru > vanagon.. seems they have blown out (how?) two ATF/H2O heat > exchangers, the tin box on the front of the trans. They don't know why. > Awful mess, when coolant under pressure it goes into the autotrans, when > cooling off sucks ATF into coolant system. Double flush and bleed. They > are not amused ;). > > And furthermore..... > > Checked out a Subaru 2.2L Legacy engine close up. Modern engine, nice > massive cast aluminium intake runners, throttle body is highest thing on > the engine (right under a vanagon deck lid), 1 coil/spark plug, also as > high as possible. This should run in water say 4-6" deeper than the > vanagons wasser!! Good for Syncro Schwimmers. Very 'tight' compact > engine, no surplus water/FI piping etc. Vanagon wasser really looks old > tech!! > > Sizes: width 28", length 17", height above the centreline of the crank > 13", height below centreline 11" These are approximate to say 1/2". So > what... ? > > well.... it won't fit under a 2WD vanagon deck lid, needs very little > however, like 1", and only 4" diam. area over the throttle body inlet. > Cutting away padding and forming the decklid with a heat gun would do > it. SOOL if you have a steel decklid. > It will fit nicely under a Syncro decklid though :) :) > > Removing the VW airflap housing from existing filter box and replacing > with plate/collar will allow the VW air intake system to stay in place. > Need fat 'S' bend hosing to link up filter box to throttle body, > possibly the Subaru hose will do it!!! > > Width and length are perfect match to fit in, Better fit since the > plumbing/FI crap doesn't hang off each side. Don't know about alt/PS/AC > since all was off the engine. They mount high, one serpentine belt > pulley only. Also good for water protection. > > And now the bad news..... The vanagon oil 'pan' is only about 7" below > the crank centre, Subaru has another 4" to go, all oil pan! This is > definately not Syncro compatible, and not my idea for any 2WD either. > Ground clearance drops to say 4-5" unloaded, 2-3" maxed out. Dangerous, > at least a gravel plate is needed, preferably a solid skid plate, and > not the existing Syncro one. Wah-hah! > > Finally.... If anyone has seen KEPs conversion close up and checked > this out can you mail me your impressions. The KEP mobile has been road > tested by one listee last year (it books!), can I get some more > firsthand info from someone. > And if anyone is within local phone distance can you call KEP and > discuss this problem with them? My bills are getting up there. They > have never mentioned it to me, despite being well versed in other > idioSyncrosies of the conversion. Best of all, can someone go photo > KEPs setup carefully, or suggest to them that they get it done > professionally, and get the photos scanned and up on a webpage. It's > long overdue. > > If anyone knows what it takes to dry sump an engine please mail me that > info too. I need help, this is becoming a PITA. Definately looks like > the right engine for a vanagon, despite all this, I waaaannt it! > > bye folks/thanks, Tim
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