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I second that.  What is this the "kick 'em while he's down" list?  I know none
of those that are flaming this guy have ever had a time when they didn't know
all they do know now about these vans and wrote a post that was confusing
about thier problem.
So lets get a little patient and understanding guys.  We are all at different
levels here.  We need to understand that.
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Ken Wilford
John 3:16