

| Subject: | Re: Subaru engines in the long run |
| From: | David Marshall |
| Date: | Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:32:29 -0800 |
I say I have to agree with all of what you are saying. In short the Subaru egine swap is expensive (as expensive as a wasserboxer rebuild) and the amount of enthusiast support (i.e. Internet) is very little to none so no free advice. So far I am happy with the Audi Fox / Rabbit engine swap that I am doing. My total cost so far ( the swap is not finished yet ) is about $850 Canadian and $800 of that is for the KEP adapter and flywheel, $35 for the engine (heck the whole Audi!). Rabbit/Golf engines are a dime a dozen, they are reliable to about 300,000km without a rubuild and can be found at every junk yard. So far the swap has been quite simple and the CIS injection is a lot easier to install than the Subaru computer / injection (no experince with the Subaru injecton but it CAN'T be any simpler than Digifant was). Ask me in about 2 weeks when I estimate my swap will be done - I sure my responce will be the same and that I will be smiling quite a bit! At 06:46 3/24/98 -0800, CARVER, JEFFREY D wrote: >I'm pushing the limits of topicality, but a frank >discussion of what is in store down the road for >anyone contemplating a Subaru transplant is due. > >I have a '87 Subaru non-turbo 4WD wagon with >around 220,000 miles on it (odometer failed). >I'm the original owner. > >I'm getting a LOT of oil leaks, low oil pressure, and >am facing the reality of having to replace the engine. >Most leaks migrate to the exhaust manifold, ughh. > >Here's what I've found out (if anyone has any better >options, please report) > >Nobody trusts a rebuilt bottom end, not dealers, not >either of two independents. When the time comes, >they all get NEW (and expensive) ones. > >At that point it's a crap shoot if you head is cracked or not. >If so, it's about $400 for a new head, each. > >By the time you're done getting parts and installation, you are >into this engine for over $3000. The blue book on my >whole car is less than that.' > >OK, next option, used engine from Japan. They get them >with around 30K on them. The cars rust out quickly, and >go to scrap. Engines come to the US. 100 day warranty. >Both shops report bad experiences, as the cars face stop >and go traffic, little freeway, and with the knowledge that >the car is scrap in a few years, little incentive for full >maintenance. Engines full of sludge. > >I can get one of these longblocks for about $600 from Rising Sun >Engines. Plus installation. SO doesn't want to run into a long >installation as happened with the '80 Westi engine saga from >a few years ago. (hey I got some VW content in here!) > >Wrecking yard engines are available with an unknown history. >But that's where the conversion people started from anyway. > >I've heard to anticipate problems in regards to getting in writing >that it's a California engine. I'll be calling yards today. > >The cost to fix it is close to the value of the car, and since we >don't intend on keeping it (it goes when I get a Deluxe bus), >and I hesitate to sell an asphyxiating vehicle to someone. >We shoulda traded it in when we bought the Quest. > >There is NO Subaru list at ALL. NO Internet information at all >unless you are using a Subaru in an aircraft. There is NO >aftermarket support for them, unlike VW's ( love the lists). > >I don't just wanna Deluxe, I've graduated? into the needabus category. > >I'll be on vacation until the 30th, so see ya then and at Kelly Park! > >- Jeff Ineeda21/23windowsunroofDeluxewalkthru! >to be used for daily driving >'80 Westi (2) BOTH FOR SALE >'66 Bus, Kombi FOR SALE >'22 Piano, upright Kohler & Cambell FOR SALE >'67 Sqbk '64 Ford Crewcab >'87 Subaru 4WD '97 Nissan Quest >Grass Valley, California, USA >Jeffrey.Carver@Aerojet.com > > -- David Marshall Email: david@volkswagen.org -- -- 78 1.8L VW Rabbit, 80 2.0L VW Caddy, 87 Audi 5KQ -- -- 85 VW Cabrio, 88 VW Syncro Double Cab Transporter -- -- Volkswagen Homepage http://www.volkswagen.org -- -- VW Caddy Homepage http://www.volkswagen.org/caddy -- -- USE DAVID@VOLKSWAGEN.ORG WHEN SENDIGN EMAIL --
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