On a total aside, I've rolled a van 2.5 times over, an '86 came out
beautifully.  Mean to post the pictures if I ever get my ass in gear.  Head
on, I've seen an '85 hit a low wall at about 30mph and the damage was fair.
But the van skipped up over the wall and bent up.  Head on at any speed, you
are probably dead, my rec, don't hit anything head on at speed.  Stability
in any Van, certainly poor by truly modern standards, but actually a lot
better than it ever feels, I can haul a van around the corners fast enough
to lose someone who can't drive, and am predominantly power limited.

John
vwbus@mindspring.com