well, i responded to that posting without looking at the pic on Steve's
website, because i assumed it was the orig. VWOA vanagon dash cupholder that
he was referring to..  the response in my post pertains to the orig VWOA ones,
which were available on '80-'84 vans, as a rare dealer accessory, and are now
NLA, and don't look anything like the aftermarket ones on steve's website.

sorry for the "cupholder calamity"  ;<)

chris