

| Subject: | Re: hot start relay didn't work, solonoid!? |
| From: | Otmar Ebenhoech |
| Date: | Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:53:15 -0700 |
>I know it is heat related, because if I open the rear hatch and remove the >engine cover for a few minutes, it clears up and I can start fine. The lack >of juice to the starter when the lights etc work great indicates it is not >a vapor lock or something like that. When the solonoid gets hot, the copper wire resistance increases, reducing the current drawn by it and the pull in force gets weaker. I havn't heard anyone talk about the "ridge in the solonoid plunger problem" on this list yet. This was a very common problem on vans when I used to work in a bus shop. Unfortunatly, many people didn't know about the problem and would try to fix it with a relay like in the old 6V days. They add lot's of poor wiring in the dirty over tranny area with a relay, what a mess! Here's what I found: Occurance: Usually at around 130K miles. Symptoms: Solonoid does not click, especially after a long drive (vibration? and hot starter). Usually starts after it cools, or if terminals on starter are jumped, or if solonid is whacked with a heavy object. Gets worse over a period of months. Problem: The solonoid plunger has a groove worn in it from sitting on the edge of the solonoid body and vibrating. When the solonoid pulls in it gets a side load from the lever which pushes it into the groove. This makes it hard to pull in. Solution: Remove starter and solonoid. Note (mark) the orientation of solonoid plunger to the solonoid body! Clean and lubricate plunger with tri-flow and some grease. Now rotate the plunger 180 degrees (since there are two ways the plunger can engage with the lever) and re assemble. I have fixed starting problems on at least 20 vans this way, never had one come back. :-) HTH -Otmar- 72(front),73(rear),76,78,82,87(parts) Stretched bus 82 A3 GTI Westfalia, turning into a hybrid electric stretch 86 Syncro 7 passenger Soon to be the front of the new stretch Several EVs (Electric Vehicles) Have owned way too many VWs to list. :-) http://www.evcl.com/strvan/strvan.html http://www.evcl.com/Picprev.html Electric Vehicle Components Ltd. (650) 494-9255
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