Hi Helmet.

Very interesting reading thanks.  I was always under
the impression that my 91
Vanagon was a Type 2 production model and designated as
a  T3.  VW called
their family of Beatles etc Type 1. Next were all types
of buses known
collectively as Type 2,  The square backs. Fast backs
etc were the Type 3 models and the Type 4 were the
Golfs Passats etc.

Now each Type had a further sub-classification.  The
Type 2's  were divided
into T1, the early busses, the T2's the breadloafs, T3
being the Vanagons and
T4's the Eurovans.

They sure got me confused.  I read this in a book
called the Volkswagen
Chronicle which is a history of VW from the early days.

Therefore my 91 Van is designated at a Type 2  T3 (
Vanagon)

Let me know what you think.

Regards

Ray.

Helmut Zeidler wrote:

> Date:    Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:37:00 -0400
> From:    Derek Drew <drew@INTERPORT.NET>
> Subject: How To Get Fatherland "Vanagon" Lists delivered here in English
> Hello all,
>
> Derek wrote:
>
> >They refer to us as T3 owners, but we think of ourselves as Type 2 here.
> >Tom N. Mr. 16" fame previously explained the discrepancy on this list.
> I haven't seen a reply from Tom, so it's my turn. VW developed several
> models, starting with T1, which is the bug, beetle, Ka:fer. Second
> vehicle developed by VW is the T2, the known VW-Bus. Third one is T3,
> in US known as Fastback, Notchback.
>
> But that's not all, in the ongoing development of the VW-Bus VW continued
> to name them T1, T2, T2a, T3 (Vanagon), T4 (Eurovan). The full naming
> of the Vanagon should be T2T3. In the German it is usual to name the
> Vanagon T2, even on VAG garages. So there is a conflict on the German
> VW-Bus list, some do name Vanagon T2, some T3. There is an own query
> about the naming, and I recommended to name the Vanagon T3, as the list
> contends only VW-Bus (T2) related messages.
>
> As a reference:
>
> T1   all VW Busses with splittet front window
>      03/50 - 07/67
>
> T2   all VW Busses 08/67 - 07/79
>
> T2a  all VW Busses 08/67 - 07/72; this are the
>      ones with rounded bumpers and front turn
>      light right above the bumper
>
> T3   all VW Busses with rear engine later 08/79
>
> T4   all VW Busses with front engine (up to now)
>
> Derek wrote:
>
> >I realize there is a small matter of getting
> >permission for this to happen, but I believe such permission would likely
> >be obtainable, or the deed could simply be undertaken without asking and
> >we'd wait and see what happens.
>
> I will start a thread on this on the German list, lets see what happens.
>
> Regards
> Helmut
> '80 Vanagaudi