Chris - Amen.  I drive a VWV, aka a VW Van.  You want to transport seven
folks, you drive a van OR an old, big station wagon, like the '72
Mercury 429ci, 4bbl, 4600#er I used to have.  IF one doesn't want to get
mud all over the place, one hauls them in a VAN, like my '85GL or me old
'74VAN or me Ford XL350, 15passenger/dual-air monster we used to travel
to Florida along with our five daughters with!

BOB