From what I've been able to find out from reputable importers: the US
Vanagon square high-beam H4's <underline>ARE THE SAME AS THE EUROPEAN
ONES</underline>!!!!  What is different are the rectanglar US high/low
beams (which really suck).

Cheers,

MJS

At 07:32 PM 1/10/99 -0800, Davidson wrote:

>Helmut,

>I'm really not quite sure what you are trying to say. It seems that
there is

>a small translation problem for me.

>In any case, our idea is that we are NOT happy with the standard
square

>H4's. That's why I referred to this as an upgrade: because Randy's
solution

>is supposed to be better than the standard square H4's that came with
our

>late model vanagons. As for price, there is no doubt in my mind that
the

>cost of the parts that Randy is offering will be substantially less
than

>what he is proposing to charge. Since he has already put in the
engineering

>time and will put in more fabrication time, I would expect him to make
a

>profit. Take your van to a good mechanic here in the US and you will
pay

>from $50 to $75 or more per hour. I'm sure it would take me much more
than 4

>hours to do the research and get all the materials together and do the

>fabrication of this upgrade kit. If it's as good as Randy claims (and we
are

>going to check that out), then I think it is worth the $200 to me.

>Thanks for you input.

>Bill

>90 Westy Syncro

>Lake Tahoe

>-----Original Message-----

>From: Helmut Zeidler <<Helmut_Zeidler@NOTESMAIL.NOKIA.COM>

>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM <<vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>

>Date: Sunday, January 10, 1999 2:41 PM

>Subject: Re: square headlight upgrade kit

>

>

>>Mmh, I got no details on that upgrade kit. But just to

>>compare prices:

>>

>>H1 5x7 High Beams Hella           57.50 DM =  35.00 USD

>>H1 5x7 High Beams Bosch           63.00 DM =  38.00 USD

>>H4 5x7 Dual Beams Hella           57.50 DM =  35.00 USD

>>DE 5x7 Low Beams  Bosch          135.00 DM =  81.00 USD

>>DE 5x7 Foglights  Bosch          245.00 DM = 147.00 USD

>>

>>Today I checked the sizes, if the 5x7 will fit into the

>>Vanagon framework and rectangular grille. The Bosch DE

>>will fit into the outer corners, as the H1 will fit into

>>the inner position to replace the standard H1 high beams.

>>About a half to one inch have to be cut at the inner edges

>>of the square headlights grille. But there are still

>>a one inch gap in top and bottom of the 5x7 headlights,

>>which could be closed by a modified Audi 5000 headlight

>>mask.

>>

>>I don't think, that replacing the standard DOT square

>>headlights against the 5x7 H4 will improve the lights

>>more than replacing against the standard Vanagon H4

>>squares, which are bigger. The Vanagon standard H4s you

>>will get for a price of 192.00 DM (115.00 USD) each. No

>>modifications or new brackets are needed in this case.

>>

>>Regards

>>Helmut

>>'80 Vanagaudi

>>

>

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