| Subject: | Re: Which VW engine fit in the Vanagon? |
| From: | David Marshall |
| Date: | Tue, 18 May 1999 23:10:57 -0700 |
Yes, you would have to modify the deck lid - even with a 1.8L :( At 07:26 18/05/1999 -0400, EMZ wrote: >Dave, > I have a Syncro. If I install a inline 4 Cyl. at 15 deg. Would >I have to cut a hole in the engine compartment lid? It seams to me >that the 2 1/2 inch you need to clear the lid maybe just enough >difference between the Syncro and the 2 WD. Also different > I4 cyl. have different heights.... are you refering the 2 liter? > Eric 86-VW4x4 > vw4x4@fyi.net 72-240z > Pittsburgh, PA USA 1936-Chrysler > > >On Mon, 17 May 1999, David Marshall wrote: > >> Just about any Volkswagen inline four fits a Vanagon. This includes the >> 158hp 1.8L G60 Corrado engine and the 150hp 1.8L Passat Turbo engine. Can >> the transmission take the huge jump in power should be the question! >> >> On the Audi scene again just about every engine out there will fit >> including the 2.2L 168hp 5 cylinder turbo, although it is a REALLY tight >> squeeze! >> >> They *all* have their limitations though. None of these engines will fit >> with out some alteration of loss of "something" as the Vanagon's engine >> compartment is very shallow. >> >> I have the most experience with the VW inline four engines installing them >> in both 2WD and Syncro Vanagons. There are two ways you can mount these >> engines [for now] the 50 deg angle like the early 80s Diesels and at 15 deg >> as is found in the Golf / Jetta. The 50 deg angle will not interfere with >> engine lid or decrease ground clearance, but you will have to cut a section >> out of the frame rail on the driver side of the vanagon to make clearance >> for the intake manifold. You also need to luck out and get all the Diesel >> parts to do the conversion. The 15 degree angle approach, like I am doing >> at Fast Forward ( http://www.fastforward.ca ) does have it's limitations >> too. You must raise the engine lid about 5 to 7 cm or lower the engine 5 >> to 7 cm (which BTW, do not loose 5 to 7 cm of ground clearance as compaired >> to the original boxer engine). Parts are more readly available for this as >> our kit will be ready for sale by the end of the week. Our forth prototype >> (same as final version) is installed in my Syncro and it does not affect >> the skid plates at all. Changing the engine oil in the I4 is as simple as >> changing the oil on the wasserleaker. >> >> I think the Subaru conversions are a practical engine swap as long as you >> don't mind loosing ground clearance, which can be somewhat overcome with a >> dry sump oil system. The other problem deals with maintainance. I >> personally feel the most Volkswagen and Subaru dealships are going to look >> at you quite funny if you bring your van in for engine servce. The Subarus >> are also very complicated to wire up too. >> >> The advantage to the Volkswagen inline four engines is that all of your >> parts come from one place so your keeping it all Volkswagen. The mechanics >> at the dealership will have no problems servicing the inline four engine as >> they are setup the same as any Golf or Jetta. The head mechanic at the VW >> dealership where I live thinks the I4 swap is fantastic due to the >> simplicity, availability and the price. >> >> I'm not trying to do a hard sell here, I am just trying to weigh both sides >> of the argument. I sell both setups so it doesn't really matter to me >> which direction you go. From what I can see the Subaru kit is a more >> expensive and complicated setup. When it is running and you can live with >> -6" of round clearance they are great engines offering more power than most >> VW engines. >> >> If you have any questions please feel free to contact me, via the list or >> via personal email. >> >> >> At 13:23 17/05/1999 -0400, Markus Benne wrote: >> >I'm having a hard time figuring out which VW engines fit in the >> >Vanagon without moving the deck. >> > >> >Which Golf engines fit? >> > >> >Which Audi engines fit? >> > >> >Will a G60 equipped engine fit (my friend may have a line on one)? >> > >> >Do any of these reduce clearance? >> >Will any of these interfere with the Syncro skid plate? >> > >> >My preference is still the Subaru but the loss of clearance is a big >> >issue. >> > >> >Thanks a heap, >> >...Markus >> > >> >ps: If anyone has direct experience with the Subaru conversion, please >> >contact me. >> > >> > >> >> -- David Marshall - Vanagon List Admin - Quesnel, BC, Canada -- >> -- 78 VW Rabbit, 80 VW Caddy, 84 VW Westie, 85 VW Cabriolet -- >> -- 87 Audi 5000 Quattro, 88 2.0L VW Syncro Double Cab -- >> -- David's Volkswagen Home Page http://www.volkswagen.org -- >> -- Fast Forward Autobahn Sport Tuning http://www.fastforward.ca -- >> -- david@volkswagen.org (pmail) or vanagon@volkswagen.org (list) -- >> > > -- David Marshall - Vanagon List Admin - Quesnel, BC, Canada -- -- 78 VW Rabbit, 80 VW Caddy, 84 VW Westie, 85 VW Cabriolet -- -- 87 Audi 5000 Quattro, 88 2.0L VW Syncro Double Cab -- -- David's Volkswagen Home Page http://www.volkswagen.org -- -- Fast Forward Autobahn Sport Tuning http://www.fastforward.ca -- -- david@volkswagen.org (pmail) or vanagon@volkswagen.org (list) --
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