the vanagon judgment will never occur, for there are to many  people of all
ages that are on this site...most of us are around their late fifties
???..and we will all go to heaven , because of the problems we had on earth
with our vans ... and our   sons  and grandsons are  following.. believe it
... and if Joe Kyle  from chicago wants to give his van to Michael  a.'s
son,  I will furnish a brand new  VW three binder to put  his old Bentley
work shop...
Happy thanksgiving to all in the Us ... and friday... and week-end

pierre

PS. please no discussion